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I'll be able to pick up Till We Have Faces tomorrow but in the meantime I've been really enjoying this read! Your point about Wace being evil and yet also able to see Artemis in Robin reminds me of Balaam, a Gentile prophet representing a false god, but the one true God of Israel still uses Balaam to thwart a foreign king’s desire to curse Israel. (Numbers 22) Balaam’s donkey reminds me of your point about reality because she sees the angel of the Lord (who Balaam can't see) on the path to get to that king, and the donkey talks!! “What have I done to you that you have struck me 3 times?” Balaam complains that the donkey made a mockery of him (kind of like Fox making a mockery of Orual’s “one part love… 5 parts anger and 7 parts pride”). But the donkey counters “Am I not your donkey on which you've ridden all your life? Have I ever been accustomed to do so to you?” Gotta wonder just how “real” that is… At any rate Balaam doesn't curse Israel, even though sorely tempted to do so. This also reminds me of the question the Professor asks Peter and Susan when they approach him concerned about Lucy's story about meeting Tumnus in Narnia when she hid in the wardrobe during a game of hide and seek: “How do you know your sister's story is not true?” And when they mention Edmund's comment about pretending, the Professor asks “does your experience lead you to regard your brother or your sister as the more reliable… more truthful?” The Professor laments that the children aren't taught logic (logos!) in school. It's one of my (many) favorite bits in the Narniad.

I also really appreciate your point about the hiddeness of God, that Rowling wants readers to share in her theological discomfort. The way you pointed out that “person” and “individual” are antonyms, not synonyms, is a whole new concept for me, but it makes so much sense! As to the structure, oh my goodness, the hidden structure, felt, but not immediately seen… Your comment that the second part of TWHF being relatively short and that Orual’s experience in them reshapes the reader's understanding of everything “we thought we knew” from the first part read like it was in neon lights. THM most oft repeated phrase, anyone??? That's as far as I got because my ability to do anything but laugh signaled a break was due, lol!

Tamspells's avatar

Wow a lot to chew over… this one is going to take a couple of reads to absorb everything I think!

It would be hard to really understand Lewis work without reading Exo33-34 and 2 Cor 3 I think.

I do like your point about the structure. Rowling loves the twist and the shift in our view of Orual’s love that happens in the second part is very Rowling. I’m also seeing correspondences with the idea of possessive love - with Robin’s relationships to Matthew and Murphy (who seek to control in order to protect) contrasted to Strike (who admits he can’t control but still has to work out how to protect).

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